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ATC@JFK - Air China 981 (by aldo benitez)

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codzomz commented on 16 Mar 2011
@LKHK76 dude as an airtraffic controller myself... if I were on ground frequencies (which are the fucking hardest to control) and i was basically talking to a wall that would just echo back everything I yelled and could possibly have a danger hazard, I would be screaming too.... are you a controller? cause even on the ground you can get a "deal" if 2 aircraft get too close and if he was to taxi to the completely wrong side of the airport and/or the wrong direction... it'll cause too much danger
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Master Pilot commented on 08 Sep 2010
@LKHK76 Imagine if you had some pilot in command of a plane full of people (more than 100) and he couldn´t talk to you (which he is obligated to), if you can´t comunicate with him he could crash, specially if he acknowledge everything you are questioning!! I fully understand the ATC and he didn't got so angry, he actually managed it very well calm and at the end he understood there was no way he was going to understand him so he cleared him. I would've revoked that pilots license
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Qiuyuan Chen commented on 25 Mar 2011
I wouldn's say this is a simple problem. English is an Important language now. MA=Noverber? I can't understand. I am not a pilot, I can understand the tower. I just don't understand why the pilot said he need to couch the plane on the right place and move in order to be closer to the station. I am a Chinese student, so there are few words I can understand. But it make no sense, pilot should listen and obey to the tower, That is always right.
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LKHK76 commented on 09 Sep 2010
@Pilingolandia I don't think anyone disputes language incompetence of the Air China pilot, but he's there, taxiing his jet in the middle of the JFK, and now what? You either go out of your way to help him out or vent your frustration. The ATC controller who, obviously lacks social intelligence to interact with anyone who is not native speaker, chose the latter. And it only made the situation worse.
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repse2009 commented on 06 Nov 2011
Search :Misfunctional FAA phraseology by Kent JONES : The routine words and phrases to be used in messages between pilots and controllers must not be potential sources of confusion. In order to avoid ambiguity, there must be a one-to-one relationship between concepts and their spoken expression. Further, misnomers and other oddities would not inhabit a scientifically valid terminology.(...)
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rintudas12 commented on 27 May 2012
how is an accent 'bad'?You either understand it or you do not,every race on earth speaking English has a different accent.This chinese guy in this case probably didn't know it at all,and he should be disqualified for flying till he learns it properly,but whatever few words he spoke I had no trouble understanding those,and I am not even a chinese
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CathayGuy commented on 19 Dec 2010
Kennedy Tower deals with Thousands of aircraft everyday, it is there job to keep all the planes safe while taxiing and in there airspace. I don't blame this controller for raising his voice slightly to get the Air China flight to do the correct taxiing. If the Controller took this more easily planes could have collided on the taxi ways etc.
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aleksesco commented on 26 Mar 2012
I'd like to see English people speaking Chinese if Chinese were more international than English... Esperanto should be the 2nd language for everybody. It's much more easy than English! Free to learn! Causes no privileges in the world nor kills languages! And there's not ambiguity (eg: japanese encephalitis vaccine)
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gillimilli commented on 24 May 2012
i think that the pilot didn´t even know what he was saying what a fool , damn you became a pilot you have to understand the request from the atc not repeating , how ignorant is this chinese pilot , i think there are more qualified people than him IN CHINA for people who think its a matter of racism
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niteshadeLI commented on 22 Sep 2010
@highflyer19 i work atc. multiply this situation x20 with lack of the language creates this kind of frustration. remember that one pilot in this situation can create a huge problem for all other aircraft including loss of life if he crosses a runway that an aircraft is landing/taking off on.
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redshirt49 commented on 21 Aug 2011
@OmsoiTekken He made it perfectly clear. He followed all of the guidelines for communication, the Air China Pilot clearly had limited knowledge of it. It is understandable he got a little unsettled because if the Air China machine had messed up, he might have been stuck with the blame.
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OmsoiTekken commented on 13 Jun 2011
In my opinion, they are both kind of to blame. The controller shouldn't of lost his professionalism because he possibly did not make it clear enough. Although on the other hand, the pilot should not of been flying overseas if not able to interpret given instructions. Peace out!
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scsirob commented on 03 Apr 2012
ATC: AirChina981, Hold Position. AC981: Hold position, 981.. ATC: AirChina981, shut down your engines AC981: ..???.. Ehhh Shutting down engines, 981 ATC: AirChina981, now turn around, hand the keys to the gentleman behind you and step away from the controls...
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b747power commented on 22 Jul 2010
Просто са уморени от дългия полет, искат да паркират колкото се може по-бързо и не се вслушват внимателно в това, което им казва диспечера.
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OmsoiTekken commented on 13 Jun 2011
The second time I listened to this, I noticed the very first time the AirChina 981 pilot did not understand the VERY FIRST TIME, the controller was already getting angry and you could tell by his tone of voice. Very unprofessional
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RamenNSoup commented on 21 Apr 2011
Chinese pilot needs to brush up on his English skills, but the controller was out of line. If you can't handle international flights without losing your professionalism, jog over to TSA and file an application with them there.

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