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I would not want to want to go to wrexham on a voyager, it might be quicker from london but the extra 2hours or so on the WSMR is worth the comfort and service

Good news, it appears that Virgin have knocked these plas on the head (at least for the time being).

amazing! finally a voyager on that line! 5 *

A £10-00 helps too!

+Tim Horan well said Tim, perfectly put - though late 60s/early 70s certainly felt like an adventurous time re: record buying. Nazz (and Todd) simply fell into the cracks for the general public yet were god-like for devotees like you and I; were/still are so many bands who did. Bearsville never promoted him enough, perhaps his tendency to completely shift chameleon colors from one album to next made that harder for them to promote into pop culture acceptance. But who cares, right? We've got TR/Nazz all to ourselves then. BTw, great book tip if you haven't already read: 'A Wizard A True Star' by Paul Meyers, TR's longtime assistant engineer, great f-ing read for any Todd follower. peace

+Randy Alberts Nazz were just not ''heavy'' enough for the Black Sabbath-era yet not pop enough for the Crosby, Stills and Nash 1960's. I believe they were just too heavy to take their rightful place in the pantheon of great power pop. I believe record buyers in the 60's and throughout the 70's too were not open-minded enough for a band that was a fantastic cross between Cream and The Young Rascals. Nazz could have been as little as 8-10 months behind the times which unjustly left them on the wrong side of rock and roll history. It's a little like 'Big Star' and 'The Velvet Underground'. They were both a day late and a dollar short too. Sometimes it's just bad timing. In the case of 'Nazz' it IS baffling though.Even with three stunning also very original LPs, Nazz has remained a 'one-hit-wonder' band. Todd Rundgren did not make this same mistake twice while later producing the more (commercially) successful 'Grand Funk Railroad'.

+mike584 agreed....also, both Todd's solo & Utopia's sound & concepts changing a lot (often from one album or even song to the next) was hard for managers & labels to evenly promote to the masses. Us hardcore fans stuck with him regardless of those shifts, but i can see how confusing it was for his handlers and the larger general public to grasp--one day Todd's singing Hello Its Me to a mostly square crowd on In Concert (thanks for that video Mojorisen!). the next he's tripping big time on A.W.A.T.S. & the Todd album. Heck, even the original Utopia band with M.Frog et al was space rock nirvana, then less than 2 years later its Kasim singing lead on the bubblegum pop 'Set Me Free', which sickly was the band's highest charting song ever. A promotion manager's nightmare. Frankly I'm happy Todd/Utopia never got mainstream success (though wish he'd of received the mainstream credit for just how massive a talent he is)- I dug every one of his freaky shifts in direction and creativity and sound, still do, that was/is still his musical chameleon strength thank god.

Yes, that was another issue. It was all about hype, lots of magazine covers and talk, but very few appearances.

+mojorisen74 That books was absolutely amazing to read.  And I'd like to add a suggestion as to why they weren't bigger.  You and Randy Alberts are right about Todd being an alpha dog...which was also mentioned in that book by James Lowe.  But I read somewhere that management might be to blame as well.  The manager they had wanted them to only play large venues, which was a bit dopey considering they weren't a big act.  Nonsense like that made essentially made them into just a hype band.  People heard of their "electrifying live shows" in the press releases but when and where were they playing?  So, that's another idea.

+mojorisen74 yeah that's shocking there's not tons of utube vids of his studio work considering his fingerprints are ALL over so many classic records too. Not vids, but you might be interested in some Guitar Player & Keyboard mag back issues long ago you likely remember that might still be online or for physical purchase, chocked full of his in-studio stories and pics. Todd was on the cover of GP Oct. '77 ish (with the ankh guitar) and I know we did several stories with him in Keyboard over the years too (I worked there '89-'03.) 

+Randy AlbertsThat book was a dream come true for me! I'd always wanted to hear stories about how he worked in the studio, what equipment he used, how songs evolved etc.....I wish there were more pic's or video from his studio. The only video I've seen of his studio is the whole 20 seconds that he's in the control room of Utopia Sound telling Bill Harris of the old grey whistle test how his studio is set up.

right, guess that makes sense with Todd being the imposing personality he is too. btw guessing you've already read this, but in case not a must-read---'A Wizard A True Star: Todd Rundgren In The Studio' by Paul Myers, his longtime assistant engineer. Well written, in depth 300 pager w/rare pics; I guess one of the few if any other full-on bios authorized by TR who collaborated on it with Myers, a real page-turner for Rundgren followers. 

From what I understand by the time the 2nd album came around they were starting to have issues within the band. Todd was evolving as a songwriter and the others didn't care for some of the tunes he was writing. They didn't doubt his talent, they just didn't care for the music and as they were splintering, SGC decided not to release Fungo Bat as a double album  because they thought it was too much for the public to digest with it only being a 2nd album from a band that was still somewhat undiscovered by the public. I think they had disbanded by the time Nazz Nazz was released.

Also, when u said "extreme pain... brain damage... broken bones"- all of that is crazy sensitive cry baby stuff. if you look on my channel you'll see i smashed 40 cans on my head for fun. psychological effects can be treated- but if you are being tortured in the first place, im sure ur on the wrong side and/or are mentally disturbed (assuming ur a terrorist). so u can take ur cry baby, political correctness elsewhere, or go do some research. u brought a 3 week old comment back, what? get a life

There r many that are for waterboarding instead of other forms of torture, if u prefer cutting their toe nails off and electrocuting them then hey, i won't judge. but i think waterboarding is much more humane. Ur physician remark doesnt matter- We waterboard our 18x enlistment forces in the army during training after graduating airborne school n Q-course & so much more. if political correctness distorts the truth, i will not act in that manner. im not trying to hate on u, but pls read up on it

@golpher93 You're right golpher93 what they're doing is hardly considered torture because they can stop whenever they want. The real torture comes from its contant, extended use. Imagine the intense psychological panic you get from drowning and prolong that over 2 minutes. You can bet that would cause psycholgical damage especially when used many, many times. It can also cause damage to the lungs, brain damage and actual drowning. You should try it out for yourself before you talk shit.

Alright... where to begin? My lengthy statement is not only my opinion, but the opinion of the physician who stated it in the first place... you know, someone with credibility. If you believe that smashing cans with your head is appropriate demeanor, then your opinion is nowhere near high standing and thus should not count. You cannot be "sure" that the one being tortured is "on the wrong side". You should give political correctness a try... The rest of the world would be so grateful.

i'm relatively comparing this to other forms of torture, if you do not understand this then idk how to help you. There's a reason that waterboarding is recognized as torture. But, in a relative sense, it is more humane than the other forms. If my comment fired you up to retrieve a quote and copy/paste, i believe you have the brain capacity to research other forms of torture and do a side by side comparison. thanks hun. it's "more humane"- gotta pay attention sweetheart.

The body and what it can do is amazing- it's the fight or flight syndrome. Being uncomfortable and wanting to get out happens a lot in all different circumstances. Most forms of torture inflict physical pain but this is more mental than anything. Just like over exerting yourself in a tough workout, having claustrophobia, or other things- it does not harm the individual, it simply puts them under stress. Waterboarding is much safer/humane than other forms to get intel.

i would like to extend this article, from me to you- please read and understand that forms of torture happen to our US 18x soldiers on US soil in order to train. This is about SERE school. "therealrevo. com /blog/?p=7217" I read this a few months ago which led me into deeper research on the topic. I have gained a respect for waterboarding OVER other forms of torture. Is torture ethical? idk, thats for u to decide. But over other forms? i would say so.

@mrr1mrr1, I can tell you after being waterboarded I think that it shouldn't be used for interrogation because it just pissed me off. You have to trick the suspects with mind games and word play especially if they aren't too bright. You must watch 24 too much. The Jack Bauer method is cool, cheap and easy but it doesn't work. Personally, I think we need to reserve the torture methods for bigger fish AFTER they've been convicted like Bin Laden.

I think the problem about these videos where people try out waterboarding is that they give the wrong impression. Everyone sees that these kids are able to function be normal after the waterboarding ends. What you guys seem to be forgetting is that they are able to stop the waterboarding when they can't take it anymore. It's a very different game when someone else gets to decide how much hell to put you through.

---- and i have been water boarded before, sprayed with mace/pepper spray, and various other things. There are always people there to keep the person alive, all the have to do is answer the questions and they can walk away without a mark on their entire body. It's an easy way to instill stress rather than doing physical harm which can (at high levels) incapacitate a human being just from pain.

"Waterboarding can cause extreme pain, dry drowning, damage to lungs, brain damage from oxygen deprivation, other physical injuries including broken bones due to struggling against restraints, lasting psychological damage, and death. Adverse physical consequences can manifest themselves months after the event, while psychological effects can last for years." Yeah... real humane...

@mrr1mmr1: I think we could probably place terrorist suspects in a place where they are removed from society and taken away from their peers. I think this place is called prison. And placing someone in prison is probably more morally sound than engaging in an act the American Government convicted Japanese officers for doing in World War II. Maybe we could do that.

I'm just saying, brother: water boarding is a much more humane thing to do to someone in order to get information. If we cause a little PTSD in order to save American lives, that's good enough for me. They can get treatment later. Water boarding does not leave permanent physical effects on a human being besides the residual, AND temporary, mental effects.

The fact that waterboarding is even up for debate... I mean, what form of "torture" do a bunch of glib college students decide to just randomly sign up to "try out"? And you just walk away from it and go about your day. Later on they probably went to a party and got drunk and bragged about how horrible it was.

@golpher93 Really? Would you last longer than these "glib college students"? It's very easy to say it's not a form of torture when you don't have to endure it. No, I don't think it's up there with hot iron pokers or tearing out finger nails, but it sure seems to be a "lesser" form of it.

My point is, I have reservations about calling it torture if college students are trying it out on themselves in their free time. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it sucks.

only americans. "i bet i can get tortured for longer" fuck get over yourselves. you're the terrorists and the cause of most of the worlds problems.